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    #21 _Richard

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    Posted 11 November 2011 - 12:50 PM

    I have some experience of EMD with real world results.

    In my experience if you have two sites that are equally valued by Google, but one is an EMD and the other is not, the EMD will rank higher. I think everyone knows this though. Additionally, if you have two websites that are both EMD, but one is a dot com and the other is something else, the dot com will rank higher. Also, in a low competition niche, a site with a relatively low amount of good content, but with EMD, will easily rank on the first page and only need a little work to get to the top.

    Does this mean a EMD will always rank higher than competition, obviously not, but also, it is definitely a factor in the algorithm. Google stated not too long ago that they were devaluing the EMD part of the algorithm slightly. Although this makes sense in part, as a EMD does not really mean the sites content is going to be any good, in my own experiments, EMD does still count for a lot.



    Did your testing include testing the emd against just having the keyword in the url? I have not seem much measurable difference between

    keyword.com

    domain.com/keyword

    in my experience. Now I have not done any head to head testing but the benefit from having the keyword in the url seems pretty strong but the advantage over it having it in the domain as opposed to just in the url seems less clear.

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    #22 nicbos

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    Posted 11 November 2011 - 11:43 PM

    Did your testing include testing the emd against just having the keyword in the url? I have not seem much measurable difference between

    keyword.com

    domain.com/keyword

    in my experience. Now I have not done any head to head testing but the benefit from having the keyword in the url seems pretty strong but the advantage over it having it in the domain as opposed to just in the url seems less clear.


    That's a good question, and in my research I have seen enough that it is clear to me, the keyword in the domain is more powerful than the keyword in the URL. There are of course factors that can play on results and muddy the waters, but for me the EMD always looked stronger.

    Best, Nic

    Edited by nicbos, 11 November 2011 - 11:43 PM.


    #23 _Richard

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    Posted 12 November 2011 - 01:16 PM

    That's a good question, and in my research I have seen enough that it is clear to me, the keyword in the domain is more powerful than the keyword in the URL. There are of course factors that can play on results and muddy the waters, but for me the EMD always looked stronger.

    Best, Nic


    Interesting, I have not seen that much of an advantage of the domain over the url myself but to be honest I try and do larger sites covering more keywords so it is not like I do a lot of EMDs.

    Has any of your testing been recent? Google is supposedly de-emphasizing EMDs so I would imagine if this is true than the results from last year would be different from the last 6-8 months or so.

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    #24 nicbos

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    Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:16 PM

    Interesting, I have not seen that much of an advantage of the domain over the url myself but to be honest I try and do larger sites covering more keywords so it is not like I do a lot of EMDs.

    Has any of your testing been recent? Google is supposedly de-emphasizing EMDs so I would imagine if this is true than the results from last year would be different from the last 6-8 months or so.


    One of my EMD test sites was started before the chat about Google de-valuing EMDs, and has stayed online with no content updates and no SEO work, onpage or offpage, and even I am surprised to see it continues to dominate postion 1 of Google, above big hitters with the keyword in the URL.

    So in my experience, EMD is the single most important aspect of SEO. You can achieve your goals without it, but it is SO much easier with it.

    Hope that helps.

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    Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:00 AM

    One of my EMD test sites was started before the chat about Google de-valuing EMDs, and has stayed online with no content updates and no SEO work, onpage or offpage, and even I am surprised to see it continues to dominate postion 1 of Google, above big hitters with the keyword in the URL.

    So in my experience, EMD is the single most important aspect of SEO. You can achieve your goals without it, but it is SO much easier with it.

    Hope that helps.

    Best, Nic


    I haven't seen this myself. Maybe 2-3 years ago, but Google has been devaluing them from what I've experienced. They do still give SOME boost though. But I'm not sure if I'd call an EMD the most important aspect of SEO.

    Though this is just my opinion. You may have tested it more than I have. (I focus mainly on slightly broad keyword phrases for my domains and very targeted keywords for my pages.)

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    Posted 13 November 2011 - 06:30 AM

    One of my EMD test sites was started before the chat about Google de-valuing EMDs, and has stayed online with no content updates and no SEO work, onpage or offpage, and even I am surprised to see it continues to dominate postion 1 of Google, above big hitters with the keyword in the URL.

    So in my experience, EMD is the single most important aspect of SEO. You can achieve your goals without it, but it is SO much easier with it.

    Hope that helps.

    Best, Nic


    While I will admit I see some benefit to an EMD I honestly can not see that it is anywhere near the most important. I hardly ever use one and the few times I have I have really not noticed that it is that much easier to rank a site. I suppose the only way to tell for sure would be to do a head to head test.

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    #27 Rhetoric

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    Posted 14 November 2011 - 02:35 AM

    ^--- he's right. There's not a LOT of purpose to EMD's anymore. Except one, a quicker up-time.

    EMD's provide a faster-than-usual to page 1 ranking - I've found in my experience - and still to this day. But long term, they're meaningless.

    One thing I do, is build the EMD, and a branded domain. Link build to both, once they're both in the top 200, 301 the EMD to the branded domain and move forward.

    Also, 301'ing and aged high PR domain that you've also put in the top 200 is super-helpful also. That way you get the best of all worlds.

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    Posted 14 November 2011 - 08:49 AM

    Congratulation :) This is a pretty impressive result consider everything is done in 30 days. Having said that, it will be easier to rank for exact match domain. However, you can definitely rank a keyword in the inner page with your OPSEO optimized and engage heavy backlinking process.

    Well done.

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    Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:48 PM

    Rhetoric is right when he says that EMD get's to the first page of results quicker, very fast, I see that too.

    I value EMD as the most important aspect of my SEO because everything else can be done with time. You can build links over time, you can work on improving on page and off page SEO with time, but time will not build you an EMD, you either have it or you don't, and everything is easier with it. :)

    Best, Nic.

    Edited by nicbos, 14 November 2011 - 12:49 PM.


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    Posted 25 November 2011 - 08:28 AM

    Hmmmm..

    Really some good case study. The thing is when content inside the site encounters duplicate there's a chance of good penalty.
    But i'll stay tuned on what's happening.

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    Posted 25 November 2011 - 10:38 PM

    The thing is when content inside the site encounters duplicate there's a chance of good penalty.


    Are you referring to the spun articles mentioned in the first post?

    Does anyone have any testing on the risk of dupe content penalties with spun articles, I've never seen any good testing and results on that - but it would be interesting, i.e SERPS suffering after "x" amount of spun articles are posted.

    Best, Nic.

    Edited by nicbos, 25 November 2011 - 10:38 PM.


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    Posted 30 November 2011 - 03:59 PM

    I am scare, why you doing spun contents? when you targeting 400,000 exact match keyword (already on 1st page). Do good contents, it will cost you much.

    Keyword domain definitely help. But good optimized site, Old, quality contents and good number quality links can beat EMD's

    Thanks.

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    Posted 07 December 2011 - 04:05 PM

    Was that it?

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    Posted 07 December 2011 - 05:14 PM

    Did harryjogi ever post the information he said he would on page one?

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    Posted 13 February 2012 - 06:48 AM

    Interesting experiment. But it would be beneficial to at least update this regularly with not only the results but how you've been doing it. Like what modules did you use in senuke x. Are you using AMR and Scrapebox as tier sites. Let us know how it turns out. Thanks

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    Posted 15 February 2012 - 10:52 PM

    I am particularly interested in the results of these "blast" types of experiments in the wake of panda-foolery. So let's hear it!

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    Posted 17 February 2012 - 11:14 AM

    Hi,

    Isn't it suppose to trigger the big G if you engage heavy backlinking. I read somewhere you need to gradually build backlink to a new site.

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    Posted 18 February 2012 - 10:43 AM

    It will be interesting to see what Google does with the domain across the next 30 days. You seem to have spent some time building a great foundation knowledge of SEO taking into account link velocity and such. It great to see you've had success applying the knowledge practically.

    My only advice for you is to build more sites and do everything as randomly as possible. Measure what works well and what doesn't. If theres an EMD available for this keyword then grab it and run both sites side by side. Not only does this allow you to see what works well, but you will have an extra layer of protection when an algo update comes along.

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    Posted 19 February 2012 - 01:47 AM

    Will keep an eye on this tread looks interesting.

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    Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:31 PM

    This is totally unbelievable. I too would like you to send me the name of the site and the keyword just double check everything. And I also have a few questions for you:

    1. Does each page of the site target same keyword phrase or are they random spun articles on any health topic?
    2. You are using a blog network - can you share the name of the network you are using?
    3. Are you getting traffic from any long tail keywords since you have so many blog posts?

    If any more questions come to mind, I may ask you. If you can achieve such good results and have an organized strategy which you used, you can try it out for more sites and see if the results can be duplicated. If yes, then you have a goldmine in your hands. Answering questions from others is a great way to uncover different parts and steps in the strategy and get everything down on paper out from your mind.

    Thanks for sharing your story with us and waiting for your PM about your website URL and keyword.





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