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ALN lost 5,297 Domains in 1 week

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I was surprised to see Authority Link Network drop so many domains in a short period. It appears the HPBL De-indexing update might be spreading to ALN now. Losing 25% of the network in one week is not a good sign.

Last week ALN had: 22,954 Blogs

Today is has: 17,657 Blogs

There hasn't been any PR updates over the last week, so it appears the 5,297 domains lost were directly related to de-indexing.

If you received a message last night that some of your domains were removed from the network due to de-indexing; you're not alone. These footprints are becoming too easy for Google to find.

John and I have decided to focus again on our Article Backlink Co-op

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Those of you who remember the Backlinksforum might remember the discussions we had about creating a high quality shared article network. We had to pull the plug on that project to fix our HPBL networks-- but we've got that issue resolved and are ready to move forward again on creating a new network that is safer from getting de-indexed and is higher quality.

If anyone has any ideas they would like to have us build into the network; please share them. We're planning on implementing some principles we're using on our new reloaded program. (Those of you who are our members know what I'm referring to)

NOTE: I still think ALN will be okay and continue to provide value. But, when 25% of the network gets de-indexed; its time to rethink and plan more for future algo changes.

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It was inevitable. I personaly lost around 700 domains.

There will be a new network released by my friend in few days which will not be using spun articles ( which are a huge footprint ). Instead they will generate articles for you so no duped content at all. Also it will be closed after sufficient momentum is reached to prevent any google snitches.

As far as I know it will be always free - it is made for people who have many domains and don't want to lose them again.

If anyone is interested, PM me.

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Now this is weird, perhaps marking the end of garbage content from the internet. Google have to dedicate resources to indexing pages they deem suitable for the internet community, so sites with hardly any readable content may be a waste of resource to index.

And this is not necessarily targetting HPBLs or any sites that exist for backlinking purposes, it all comes down to the quality of sites themselves and any site with garbage content should really be a target.

To avoid losing expensive domains, it would be wise to have quality content on them that adds value to Google's index. They are a business and they don't want to index pages they will never have to return within serps.

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The problem is that spinning leaves articles which are not exact duplicates and not unique either. Instead spun articles are 50/50% and google started to target it.

I've personally ranked bullshit, generated(not spun) content for keywords which were bringing $50+ daily - in fact I still do so but because of recent ALN mass deindexing, they are beginning to drop.

Articles should be unique to preserve the network. Their quality doesn't actually matter (which hurts content writers who will propagate the good-content propaganda).

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It was inevitable. I personaly lost around 700 domains.

There will be a new network released by my friend in few days which will not be using spun articles ( which are a huge footprint ). Instead they will generate articles for you so no duped content at all. Also it will be closed after sufficient momentum is reached to prevent any google snitches.

As far as I know it will be always free - it is made for people who have many domains and don't want to lose them again.

If anyone is interested, PM me.

Any new network that addresses the issue is welcomed by me. But, I don't think spun content is the issue. If it is then why has Build My Rank been having similar de-indexing problems? It's more logical to think the algo is picking up on other footprints that are not as subjective as content. I don't think the de-indexing has much of anything to do with the content; for me its more to do with other footprints.

If Google were to take on something like content; it would be much more difficult than to code for other more easily defined variables. I'm sure its possible; but not as likely. There are a lot of really good sites (real sites) with content that have grammar errors-- to start detecting grammar problems would open up a whole new set of problems for Google.

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It seems to me that BMR was hit earlier than ALN and other networks using spun content. Try to go to one of your ALN blogs and copy random 3-4 words combination(the best if it contains some unique words) - then type it into google search with " " around those words - for example "word1 word2 word3 word4". Do so 3-4 times. It almost always shows other ALN blogs and nothing else. To me it is an enormous breach.

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It was inevitable. I personaly lost around 700 domains.

Ouch! I thought I was bad with 148!

I don't know what percentage of your loss is of course, and I'm not going to divulge mine.

I do have a very interesting fact (not guesses) about our deindexed domains:

We are an internet family business, our family is married/divorced/adopted and we have moved house during the course of our domain collecting so our domains whois is split over several names and addresses (because we have been lax in updating our whois details). Our domains are also with different registrars, different hosts and some are privacy hidden and some are not.

The fact:

ALL domains with a particular whois have been deindexed, whether that whois was hidden or not. Every single domain with that particular whois was in ALN with the exception of 3 that were typical clickbank affiliate sites - they too have been deindexed - these were not backlinked using ALN either. Different hosts. Different registrars. Different IPs. The ONLY connection is their whois.

I also have ALN sites with the same hosts, registrars and IPs as the deindexed domains. They have a different whois and are NOT deindexed.

The guess:

To me that smacks of manual review. Find one and seek out others by ownership.

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Agree, its not the spun content. Its the links. They have huge link foot prints.

Heck its even becoming fashionable to scrape their link footprint and spam the site owners with one's own link service offer these days.

Any new network that addresses the issue is welcomed by me. But, I don't think spun content is the issue. If it is then why has Build My Rank been having similar de-indexing problems? It's more logical to think the algo is picking up on other footprints that are not as subjective as content. I don't think the de-indexing has much of anything to do with the content; for me its more to do with other footprints.

If Google were to take on something like content; it would be much more difficult than to code for other more easily defined variables. I'm sure its possible; but not as likely. There are a lot of really good sites (real sites) with content that have grammar errors-- to start detecting grammar problems would open up a whole new set of problems for Google.

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It seems to me that BMR was hit earlier than ALN and other networks using spun content. Try to go to one of your ALN blogs and copy random 3-4 words combination(the best if it contains some unique words) - then type it into google search with " " around those words - for example "word1 word2 word3 word4". Do so 3-4 times. It almost always shows other ALN blogs and nothing else. To me it is an enormous breach.

So BMR was hit first and BMR does not use spun content, and now that the ALN is getting hit we are going to come to the conclusion that G is now fully able to crack down on spun content? Where is the logic in that?

More then likely this is a hunting expedition to deter these networks from continuing. The best thing is that it creates this type of doom and gloom hysteria. We dont know exactly when BMR was hit, but we know that ALN is right now getting hit. I had a few of my own blogs deindexed. Think about that for a second.

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Agree, its not the spun content. Its the links. They have huge link foot prints.

Heck its even becoming fashionable to scrape their link footprint and spam the site owners with one's own link service offer these days.

If it is links, could it mean ezinearticles.com will get de-indexed? Every articles in ezine have a few links.

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One of mine was hit to, could it possible be the <b></b> option to bold your keywords that's leaving a footprint? it's a long shot but a lot of networks allow you to bold the anchor text, could that possibly be a factor?

Cheers

Graham

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I don't know about BMR deindexation rate but if they were not hit as hard as ALN it would increase the probability of targeting spun content.

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The problem with checking BMR indexing is that their tool doesn't always find the article, even if it is indexed. You really need a list that you can check back to on a regular basis.

I have all 1200 of mine and things seem fine, but again I don't think that is a big enough sample size given everything going on.

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If it is links, could it mean ezinearticles.com will get de-indexed? Every articles in ezine have a few links.

You cant spam a footprint on 1 domain.

Ezinearticles doesnt have 20,000 other sites setup virtually exactly the same, getting the same three links per post that some people were/are posting.

You see you are not thinking big enough here. ALN was working really, really well before all of this happened. And "some people" :rolleyes: thought that if they could just post to more domains faster with their exact three links then their 3 money sites would move up in the serps even faster. So they ended up spamming a footprint onto 20,000 bogs.

It probably was working until everyone started doing it. As you can imagine the link footprint is huge across ALN right now. Although, some guys on BHW have said that they received info that ALN will be changing some things up soon to address these problems. So we will see.

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SPUN CONTENT vs NON Spun Content

I think people are looking in the wrong direction. The fact that BMR has had domains get de-indexed proves that spun content is not the issue; its other footprints. Granted, super spun non-readable content can't help too much; but the de-indexing is most likely due to other footprints.

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I dont think its spun articles, i think the number of links posted to a domain daily/monthly may raise a flag. Easy to have such a detection by google.

E.g. 1800 OBL links/month is not natural to me for a domain. And after 4-6 months they may have 10,000 OBL.

Would be nice to get more stats about the deindexed domains, e.g. if new ones or domains that had been in ALN for e.g. 3-6 months? (Which had build up a lot of links and indexed pages)

The domains I lost had been there for a while, didnt loose any of my newer domains.

Maybe time to cut down to just one link per article instead of allowing 3 links per article?

Maybe just post to 10 blogs instead of 15?

Just to make the link building speed on domains slower, and maybe avoid getting deindexed.

I have no facts, just thinking what I would do if I were Google.

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FWIW, I just pulled all but two PR1 domains out of ALN. I see them as an investment, I don't care for some of the stuff Maulana's done, and I don't really want to mess around with what's been going on.

I moved them into Link Authority, so we'll see what happens if they eventually get targeted somehow.

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The problem is that spinning leaves articles which are not exact duplicates and not unique either. Instead spun articles are 50/50% and google started to target it.

I've personally ranked bullshit, generated(not spun) content for keywords which were bringing $50+ daily - in fact I still do so but because of recent ALN mass deindexing, they are beginning to drop.

Articles should be unique to preserve the network. Their quality doesn't actually matter (which hurts content writers who will propagate the good-content propaganda).

Looks like the age of spun content is coming to an end. It's not there yet, but it's a coming

Spun content is not the issue. Poorly spun content is the problem. If you do not spin your content enough then you are going to have issues.

However looking at what is happening I seriously doubt that the content is the highest indicator Google is using to find networks, it may well and probably does enter into the equation but most likely only after other indicators like link patterns have already flagged the domains.

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I lost 7 domains this week (out of 250 "pumper" sites I own)

5 sites were in aln. 2 were NOT in aln. I have 75 in aln for a few months now.

Those lost were all older domains. None were those recently added to aln.

Fortunately (for me) I havent' been in aln long, so don't have enough incoming links to lose rankings for money sites. To the contrary, I see my biggest competitor has been dropping like a rock over the last week and see more of his rankings dissapeared overnight.

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