[Patrick]

Hello,
Initial effort posted on BLF a simple SEO strat. This is what it was:

• buy a old domain with link history
  
• setup a wordpress blog on the site
  
• setup 4 or 5 web 2.0 properties
  
• spam link the web 2.0 properties
  
• buy your way to the top with HPBLs

It's ferkin simple. I.E. got flamed because he was selling Home page back links (HPBLS for those that don't know).  I'm not selling anything so mine is a proper test. I'm going to add in some BMR posts and some ALN posts though.  They work well in my experience.

Progress so far:
I've bought 2 domains. I've put a holding page with 700 words of 4 star content from textbroker.com. I'm currently having form integrated into a wordpress widget so I can launch the wordpress sites over the holiday period.

I'm not selling anything so this is a real test. If this works the sites should bring in $6,000 a month between them. They'll be affiliate sites for high converting finance products.

The keywords are worth a lot according to the keyword tool:
kw1 - 1,600 exacts - $22.58 - wiki is #1 then 1 go0d affiliate site, then 1 poor EMD site
kw2 - 4,400 exacts - $24.67 - authority sites dominate the top 5 - this is ambitious but poor anchor text optimisation on my competitors part makes me think there's a chance.

So, kw2 site has had a squidoo lense and hub page set up and one spun article submitted to ALN. It's now in #220. A good start in my book.

I'm trying to find some more sites like squidoo/hubpages but don't want a wordpress/blogger style 2.o site. Then I can get the 5 web 2.0 properties suggested. Once this is complete I'll start sending high pr blog comments at them to increase their page rank.

[HeavyD]

By adding in ALN do you mean that you are adding articles to their network for backlink purposes?

[Patrick]

Yep. there decent links. I'm not too happy about my pr blogs detting deindexed, but it's worth the risk.

[ARVolund]

Patrick, on 21 December 2011 - 08:20, said:

Yep. there decent links. I'm not too happy about my pr blogs detting deindexed, but it's worth the risk.

I posted a list of tested and working web 2.0 properties that may help you find a few that fit what you are looking forr

http://trafficplanet.com/topic/566-recently-tested-list-of-web-20-properties/

[angelus]

It is a solid strategy IMO. Curious to see your results.
Did you buy a domain somewhat closer to the niche, or just a general aged domain?

[Blah Blah Blah]

Why did he get flamed? That's what thousands of SEOs do and it works.

[JSP]

Keep us posted.  

Anyone else feel that aged domains are the new "EMD's" of old?  Seems like Google is giving more and more power to aged domains.  People are still obsessed with EMD's, but I get the feeling that their advantage is starting to dwindle.

[ARVolund]

Blah Blah Blah, on 21 December 2011 - 10:38, said:

Why did he get flamed? That's what thousands of SEOs do and it works.

GODOVERYOU, on 21 December 2011 - 11:40, said:

If you sell ice cubes, it's a slippery slope to begin telling people to use ice cubes. That would be my guess anyways.

^^^
This would be my thought as well.

If you are selling a product and recommending it as well there does seem to be a bit of a bias there. Not familiar with the thread but I can see some people rolling their eyes and going "sure its the best"

[quinnmodel]

SERIOUSLY.... Aged Domains AREN'T all it! They Get sandboxed just as much. In Fact I have one 17 year old domain right now that google  LOVED at first now the rankings are a mess. Have been testing aged domains for over a year and they ARE NOT that incredible after all. My thoughts were that you could throw anything at them ..... tried that . Aged domains get sandboxed So sorry to bring this news but its pretty frustrating experience so far.

[SeoBoy]

i have mixed experience with aged domains... so cant find a conclusion ...

[Juvv]

this isnt anything new to be totally honest. It is a good strat though.

Aged domains with decent backlinks to begin with = win. EMD's are no contest to that if they arent built right.

[Patrick]

It's not an overly complicated strategy. But it's really easy. I've got a freelancer submitting hubpages and squidoo lenses. I'm going to get the site outsourced, so I'm pretty much going to do nothing. The other #1's I've got are pretty stable, so if I can do it in this lo maintenance outsourced fashion it's going to be really useful. I do think a lot of people try to hard sometimes and this is one of the reasons for the test.

ARVolund, on 21 December 2011 - 09:34, said:

I posted a list of tested and working web 2.0 properties that may help you find a few that fit what you are looking forr

http://trafficplanet.com/topic/566-recently-tested-list-of-web-20-properties/

I'm concerned about the stability of the blogs I set up on the blogging platforms. I've had some set up via BFSOs before and they've been shut down pretty quick. I'll go through them, but before I do does anyone know which among this list are closer to hubpages and squidoo, i.e. manually checked article directories?

[ARVolund]

quinnmodel, on 21 December 2011 - 16:29, said:

SERIOUSLY.... Aged Domains AREN'T all it! They Get sandboxed just as much. In Fact I have one 17 year old domain right now that google  LOVED at first now the rankings are a mess. Have been testing aged domains for over a year and they ARE NOT that incredible after all. My thoughts were that you could throw anything at them ..... tried that . Aged domains get sandboxed So sorry to bring this news but its pretty frustrating experience so far.

While aged domains are not bullet proof I have found they will accept more links than a brand new domain.

One thing to look at though is not how long the domain has been registered but how long it has been up and indexed. A five year old domain that has not had a site on it for two years is not really going to do you any good. The advantage comes from being up and indexed.

On another note if you are continually sandboxing domains (a term that is way over and mis-used) then you really need to reevaluate your strategy. I am a fairly aggressive link builder and I have not screwed up a site in well over a year.

TEST AND ADJUST.......

[Patrick]

ARVolund, on 22 December 2011 - 03:13, said:

While aged domains are not bullet proof I have found they will accept more links than a brand new domain.

This is my hope. I got a site dumped last year but I had a "baby site" supporting it's position. It was about 3 years old and had had a few links at it. It's history in Google meant the algorithm responded better to my back linking. This is my hope with this test.

[Patrick]

JSP, on 21 December 2011 - 15:14, said:

Anyone else feel that aged domains are the new "EMD's" of old?

I'm starting to get this feeling. I've picked urls that contain my keyword but aren't EMDs. One's had a directory linking strategy, so pretty week but 100+ links none the less. The other has a lot less links but still has links.

[Patrick]

Good jump on the 4,400 kw. Up to 70 ish now. Very promising start.

The 1600 keyword hasn't shown up though. Not sure whats' going on there.

[Patrick]

Apologies for my delay in reposting on this. I've had a baby! Her name is Maria and she was born on the 6th. Haven't had time to hang out on the forum since she got here.

So, I moved the sites to wordpress about the 28th Dev. Once I had the 4,400 kw site has disappeared from it's position of about #70. I then added in a few BMR posts. 4,400 has still to reappeared but the other site has raced to #13!

My next steps were completing more web 2.0 properties. After an interesting debate with ARVolund and GOY (to an extent), I've decided to use an automation service to get more of these links. I'll let you know once these link are completed (probably by the end of the month) and whether they push the sites in the right direction.

Thought I'd add some concerns I've got at the moment. The 4400 kw site not turning up yet seems a bit strange. It's got a pr of 1 straight away which is quite exciting. But I think google is a bit dubious about it at the moment. I'm going to vary the anchor text to try and loosen it up a bit. I might deeplink a few pages just to make the profile look a bit more natural.

Edited by Patrick, 12 January 2012 - 08:50.

[Initial Effort]

Just as a note....and I didn't really mention this in the other thread, but some aged domains are penalized by Google which causes them not to rank. This is rarely the case, but if you aren't seeing a site in the top 500-1000 either you aren't building enough links, not enough time as gone by for the links to be found, or google has decided not to rank the site based on the previous owner.

[DanielC]

Interesting topic Initial.

If we pick up a domain for branding purposes, say a high profile domain from BuyDomains that has been parked for years. Nothing on the wayback and no links.

Now 1st how do we know that site was ever penalized by G.

And if it was, does G ever let it rank after a new site was built on it.

[Initial Effort]

You really don't know, but if you don't see any backlink history it is generally safe to assume that it is penalized. Sometimes penalties come off....sometimes they last months, sometimes a year.