[amul]

RealEcon, on 21 February 2012 - 02:05, said:

I havent looked at as many sites as IE has to have as good an idea if this is a "deindexing penalty" or not. What I have personally seen is that when I blast certain competitors with profiles and SB comments, they get ghosted. This is "link loss".

Some of my own sites went from page one to a -50 or -100 after ALN had a bunch of sites get deindexed. After about 2 months of continuing with ALN posts, slowly adding high PR HPBLs, new content and various fiverr type mixed links, I have gotten these sites to slowly come back.

I had a look at Glassys site and it looks like what I experienced.

I still say it is a penalty, as I went straight to -50 and -100. In my case I dont think it was do to a deindexing penalty, but to a link loss penalty.

We will just have to see as more people come forward and explain what is happening to their sites since "D"indexing day.

OK - so ALN is getting deindexed... I wonder how long it will be before FBN gets a taste?
-- on a side note which fiverr gigs did you use?

[RealEcon]

I just search fiverr for link gigs that look like the links will stick well. Right now I dont care about anything else.

Google has turned up the  sensitivity on "link loss" this year.

It is completely unnatural for a legit website to be losing lots of links. Google has just cranked up the sensitivity level of this metric. People need to stop getting mass amounts of links made. (Even to 2nd tier properties the link loss bleeds through.) They need to be doing things slower and more manually.

1.Setup good legit web2.0 blogs that wont get deleted with content you would like to read. Dont add links right away. Add them a week or two later.

2.Guest posting on peoples legit sites. Again writing content that people will read.

3.Buying your own domains and developing them. (this is tough for newbs as theyre domains may get deindexed if they dont know what Google is looking for)

4. Leave good legit comments on real sites. Go setup a fake webmasters account and start following certain major traffic keywords in your niches. When a popular blog makes a post about the subject go leave a controversial or interesting comment. (this is more for traffic, but you will still get a link)

5. Find some dofollow forums and start contributing to them. Even if you dont know the subject of the forum there is always an off topic forum. Dont create a sig or profile link at first, wait a few weeks. Then create a normal looking sig, and if your keyword is something completely strange to the forums topic, then just write a sentence and at the end use a period "." as a link. You wont get the anchor text but you will still be strengthening your backlink profile, which is what a lot of people havent been doing lately as they have been soely relying on ALN or HPBLs. All backlinks at as anchors, that hold your site up in the serps you need more than just one type even if it is just a sig link with a "."

6. I like social bookmarks they work good if they are drip fed on dofollow sites.

7. Im not into article directory links, since the directories dont rank as well as they did in 2010. But if you want to write simple good english articles you can always get links from ezine etc. (I wouldnt do article blasts anymore though, as you will get link loss.)

8. High PR spammed out blog comments. Yeah they dont work as good as they did 12 months ago, but you are safe not losing them;-)

9. Auto Blogs. (this is a bit of work to setup but should work if not abused) Setup autoblogs that repost quality RSS feeds on a "normal" basis. Like once a day, not 20 times a day. Then have that content syndicated to web2.0s and twitter using tweetattacks and ping.fm or posterous or whatever. Just make sure you have a script or plugin inseting your link some where in each post thats gets syndicated.

10. Just contact webmasters and see if you can pay them for a link on their site for 1 year. If you get an average webmaster they wont know what to charge and may give a good deal. Plus the majority wont take your link down after the year is over, because they will forget about it if its in the footer or somewhere else less noticeable.

These methods will help keep your site safe from what is going on right now. Plus most of these methods bring natural traffic along with the link juice:-)

[light_taurus]

RealEcon, on 01 March 2012 - 00:51, said:

These methods will help keep your site safe from what is going on right now. Plus most of these methods bring natural traffic along with the link juice:-)

Except that you can get nuked by the competition.

[seodisaster]

All I got to say is to mimic the Chinese sites with their replica shop sites. I am CONSTANTLY checking the Serp movement from these sites and let me tell you that Google LOVES static html pages. You may disagree but with only a few backlinks they seem to catch the attention from G and get ranked pretty quickly. Another thing I have noticed is that they use extremely low HPBL links from different sites with different IPs and PLATFORMS. Minimal footprints are left this way. As a safety measure try to use buffer sites to keep your sites safe from a ban. Tiered links work better for that so you won't have to suffer from any direct penalty. AGAIN all of the above information is based from my findings and testing.

[peterk]

Love the post RealeCon, except suggestion 9, autoblogs. Thought panda hated dupe content?

[HeavyD]

I posted this on another thread but this is similar - take a look at the sites that have taken your sites place on the first page of serps.  For my keyword (my site was smacked for its main keyword) the sites now #1 are nothing special.  I checked their backlinks which were crappy blog comments etc (typical junk) and their layout/content is nothing special - so I do not think Google did this to have the cream rise to the top but that they really are penailising keywords that participated in specific networks ( a guess).  My sites were not deindexed and they still rank for some longer tail keywords but the main kw's that I was trying to rank for by using certain authority link networks have lost all their ranks.

Now - is this a permanent drop - I hope not.

[Fishingman1]

HeavyD, on 01 March 2012 - 15:29, said:

I posted this on another thread but this is similar - take a look at the sites that have taken your sites place on the first page of serps.  For my keyword (my site was smacked for its main keyword) the sites now #1 are nothing special.  I checked their backlinks which were crappy blog comments etc (typical junk) and their layout/content is nothing special - so I do not think Google did this to have the cream rise to the top but that they really are penailising keywords that participated in specific networks ( a guess).  My sites were not deindexed and they still rank for some longer tail keywords but the main kw's that I was trying to rank for by using certain authority link networks have lost all their ranks.

Now - is this a permanent drop - I hope not.

Exactly the same problem.
A key word penalty I have never seen or heard of this.
I also think the algo has lost the plot.
Especially concerning E-commerce sites.

[RealEcon]

peterk, on 01 March 2012 - 14:49, said:

Love the post RealeCon, except suggestion 9, autoblogs. Thought panda hated dupe content?

Panda is against you having dup content on your site. Your site will not rank if you put dup content on it. But using dup content on web2.0s can be a different story as long as google indexes the content. Sometimes they will, sometimes they wont.

Its similar to legit press releases. Thats all dup content and you can get a bunch of juicy links through doing press releases properly.

#11. Press Releases:-)

[melontrades]

I have a very large network of sites that I sell links on.  But if someone buys 100 links I never post them all on the same 100 sites as the last guy.  Every month I add new sites and take some sites off the network to provide more random aspects to it.

Random and diversification I think is key.  My one question is what about contextual links with crap spun content.  Could that be part of what is causing problems?

[Milk and Honey]

Milk and Honey, on 24 February 2012 - 18:32, said:

I lost rankings for one of my sites where I held the #1 spot for a major keyword in the market for almost a year. In fact, I achieved that #1 ranking immediately after the panda update at the end of February 2011. The site has since dropped from that #1 spot to #12, around the end of February 2012. Link diversity and velocity has remained constant in that time period, along with anchor text variation. I have narrowed the problem down to 2 HPBL networks and their deindexing problems. I believe the reason I did not drop a great deal is because the HPBL were such a diminutive portion of the sites overall link profile. This drop also leaves me to believe what Pat Jackson has said. The sites were deindexed, I lost some high PR links and my rankings reflected that loss.

Since the drop, I was able to push it up one spot to #11 with some edu/gov links (profile, wiki, and blog posts) and also using Pat Jackson's article syndication service. That was over the last 30 days.

Over the next 30 days, the real off page SEO shit storm begins. The site has age and PR including several inner pages. This will be the test and I will share it here if anyone is interested.

Here's what's coming for this site in the next 30 days:

Google +1's
Facebook Likes
Press Release
More Pat Jackson
Video Distribution
Linkpushing.net
Social network links
Social Bookmarks
RSS Feed syndication
Web 2.0 Profiles
Forum Profiles
Article Marketing (Both auto approve, non auto approve, and premium)
Private blog network submissions

All links are sent through my Unique Link Indexer set up.

These links are spread over several URL's across the site. Pat's service is awesome because not only are the links decent quality, but he also allows unlimited (within reason) keywords per URL which allows for good anchor text variation.

If anyone is interested, I'll try to remember and come back in a few weeks and let you know how I'm getting along.

Big movement today. The homepage of this site dropped off the planet for all major keywords on March 6th. From not in the top 1000 to back on page one #10 for my main keyword today. Have to add a quality HPBL network to that list though. They have been dripping my links over the last 8-9 days. 88 links spread over 3 keywords, one of which is the main keyword. I still have another 20 days of dripped high pr links to go so it looks good so far. All I did was change some content on the site to make sure it was unique, and added unique content about every other day, link diversity, anchor text diversity. Took just over 30 days to see some encouraging results.

Edited by Milk and Honey, 15 March 2012 - 15:36.