[charto911]

Thoughts and feedback on the most recent update that has slapped and created a 2008 Stock Market volatility in the SERPS. It appears that the main change started on January 26th and has been tearing through websites in a panda like fashion.

Theories have been the following thus far:

• low anchor text diversity
  
• Content setup with ads and so forth
  
• blog network links
  
• having too much spun content with backlinks

[Initial Effort]

I am not 100% sure yet, but I think people are getting penalized for being part of a homepage network that gets deindexed. Penalty doesn't seem to target blog posts/articles/text links, but more is looking for single pages with the same outgoing links on the page. Essentially it is a Copyscape check for links on a page. Not sure how long the penalty is going to last, but it appears this may be the new anti-seo tactic. Just like how you can destroy your competitors sites with blog comment and profile link spam attacks.

[khidma]

2 of my websites been penalized for being part of a homepage network and sitewide/blog roll links.

I bought blog posts for many websites and all are still ranking, except 2 websites.

When i went to Google webmaster I found that top 5 "Who links the most" are the links from 5 sitewide blogs de-indexed I bought from a member of backlinkforum  his website is  blogpostingservices.info.  

I only bought for those 2 sites.   So I am positif that Blog posts on high pr, forum profiles, blog comments, senuke x and article networks are not reason because i use them daily for all my client sites.

It's been 2 weeks since those sites lost their ranking by 10 to 50 spots for some keywords.

I am not sure if this is a penalty on how long it will last or just link velocity issue and the 2 websites dropped because they lost so many backlinks.

[Fishingman1]

Got smacked for being part of a network, in Jan only in the network for 2 weeks.
The network was De-indexed and the loss of rank was within 2 days of network tanking.
Most search terms got -50 penalty , and were very specific to KW that produced traffic.
Long Tail still in serps but very little traffic.
It's been 3 weeks now.
No sign of penalty being removed.
G is a constant companion to my site.
Changed all onpage in an attempt to placate them , although there was nothing that could have caused any problems  but just playing safe.
Link velocity is not the issue, still building links as I have for 2 years that normally did not cause a problem.(no effect)
Clearly the network tanking was the problem.
No loss of link value as I had only been in the network for 2 weeks and saw no rise in serps during that period.
I only went into it to consolidate my position in the serps.
Traffic gone from 300 p/d to 7.
If the penalty continues I will have to build another site and 301.

[seodisaster]

I have noticed pages being deindexed on a 5 year old site after changing some wording on these specific pages. Note that this wasn't a sitewide slap but rather the pages in question. I do not know if they will come back or not but let's keep the finger crossed. I am building a similar site based on the same keywords with a totally different content. Will keep this thread updated.

[sparkplug]

Fishingman and I were on the same network and we both suffered similar fates. I was all over page 1 with many of my keywords, then the network got de-indexed. I went to -100 overnight. When G takes down those networks, from what I have seen and experienced, it penalizes every site that was on those networks.

[Pat Jackson]

It's not really a site being penalised, though.

It's just a result of you losing the links that were giving you the rankings in the first place.

I mean, let's say you found a bunch of high PR DoFollow pages where you could get links from, you built links there and suddenly your rankings went up very quickly.

Then, one day whoever was in charge of those pages took all of your links down.

Your rankings would likely suffer as a result but you wouldn't then suggest it was a Google penalty.

[Fishingman1]

@sparkplug
How long do you think this will continue, the penalty that is.
it has destroyed my business.
I have sent a pleading begging email to G looking for forgiveness and offering to kiss all 4 cheeks.
No response and not terribly hopeful .
I read here and elsewhere that the only things that works for BL is networks, F**** that.
I will find something else to power up.
Clearly they are looking for networks and when they find all and sundry are penalised.
Clearly if and when I decide to tank a competitor (but I won't) then I would add them to a crap network with big footprint.
Then simply wait.
Con census here is that by throwing spamy links will not work, I noticed early Jan  that I was getting lots of porn links to my site?
Without communication from G it is possible that I was added to another network without me knowing.
Of course I do believe that what i DID was the reason, however due to my paranoid state at the moment I cant help but wonder.
Could be a new service offered rise in the serps by tanking competitors.
Build networks purposely built, for tanking.
As i said I am paranoid right now.
Fuck this is hurting.

[khidma]

For my situation I am not sure if it's because I lost links. I was ranking with my both sites on top 5 before I start homepage networks and moved to number #1 after but last 3 weeks I dropped to #77 with one site  and bought more links and get it back to 19 but today it dropped again back to #77.

For second site it was #1 and it dropped to #15 ad never moved back.

I don't know if u should keep building links and wait or I should get a new domains and 301 redirect to start over.

[Fishingman1]

Well I know I did not loose links if I did the links lost had nothing to do with my serps
As I was like you on top of page, before I joined the network.
Still building links ,but will not budge.

Edited by Fishingman1, 19 February 2012 - 18:05.

[Glassy]

Fishingman1, on 19 February 2012 - 18:04, said:

Well I know I did not loose links if I did the links lost had nothing to do with my serps
As I was like you on top of page, before I joined the network.
Still building links ,but will not budge.

It doesn't matter if your site gained rankings or not when you joined a network, once those high PR links which were pointing at your site are removed, there will almost certainly be a loss in rankings, even if your site was previously on the first page.

[khidma]

The question is: the lost of ranking is it only because of lose of links and we can fix it by making links  or it's a penalty and there is no fix for it except waiting for google mercy or get a new domain.

[Fishingman1]

Glassy, on 19 February 2012 - 18:43, said:

It doesn't matter if your site gained rankings or not when you joined a network, once those high PR links which were pointing at your site are removed, there will almost certainly be a loss in rankings, even if your site was previously on the first page.

Fantastic theres a benefit i knew nothing about.

[Fishingman1]

Well it's all turned to crap and I can't go fishing as my cars broken down.

[Initial Effort]

Pat Jackson, on 19 February 2012 - 16:26, said:

It's not really a site being penalised, though.

It's just a result of you losing the links that were giving you the rankings in the first place.

I mean, let's say you found a bunch of high PR DoFollow pages where you could get links from, you built links there and suddenly your rankings went up very quickly.

Then, one day whoever was in charge of those pages took all of your links down.

Your rankings would likely suffer as a result but you wouldn't then suggest it was a Google penalty.

Pat - There is a new penalty that causes your website not to rank after you've been on a HPBL that has been deindexed. So if you build more links, nothing happens.

[MarkAse]

IE,

Are they killing the entire site, or just the page the links point toward?  Just wondering

[sparkplug]

Pat,
I was doing well before I joined the network. Good, solid positions. However, I wanted to give the site a little extra boost, so I joined up and I was on the network for about three weeks. Then all of a sudden one morning, I get up and check how my site was doing and it completely tanked. Everything that was indexed in G before I signed up was gone. Bing/Yahoo was still there, but G was history. I could not figure out what was going on. Then I saw a post here on TP by the guy who owned the network indicating that his entire network was de-indexed. Then it all made sense. Fishingman was also on the network, and he lost everything in G as well. And so did at least two other people I know. There was no other reason for me to lose the ranking that I had acquired prior to joining the network. Not only did G take down the network, they went after the people who had their links on it.

Pat Jackson, on 19 February 2012 - 16:26, said:

It's not really a site being penalised, though.

It's just a result of you losing the links that were giving you the rankings in the first place.

I mean, let's say you found a bunch of high PR DoFollow pages where you could get links from, you built links there and suddenly your rankings went up very quickly.

Then, one day whoever was in charge of those pages took all of your links down.

Your rankings would likely suffer as a result but you wouldn't then suggest it was a Google penalty.

[Pat Jackson]

sparkplug, on 19 February 2012 - 19:54, said:

There was no other reason for me to lose the ranking that I had acquired prior to joining the network. Not only did G take down the network, they went after the people who had their links on it.

There is, though.

Anytime you lose links it's not good, but losing a whole bunch of "high quality" (high PR) links it's only natural for your pages to drop.

That has been happening since HPBL networks first existed. Some people come through okay, but most of the time their sites will drop, even if ranking well earlier.

Jacob above suggested that this is something new and new links won't help. I definitely haven't seen anything to suggest that is accurate and it just seems to me to be what has always happened but I definitely do value Jacob's opinion so maybe something has changed.

[sparkplug]

Fishingman1, on 19 February 2012 - 16:28, said:

@sparkplug
How long do you think this will continue, the penalty that is.
it has destroyed my business.
I have sent a pleading begging email to G looking for forgiveness and offering to kiss all 4 cheeks.
No response and not terribly hopeful .
I read here and elsewhere that the only things that works for BL is networks, F**** that.
I will find something else to power up.
Clearly they are looking for networks and when they find all and sundry are penalised.
Clearly if and when I decide to tank a competitor (but I won't) then I would add them to a crap network with big footprint.
Then simply wait.
Con census here is that by throwing spamy links will not work, I noticed early Jan  that I was getting lots of porn links to my site?
Without communication from G it is possible that I was added to another network without me knowing.
Of course I do believe that what i DID was the reason, however due to my paranoid state at the moment I cant help but wonder.
Could be a new service offered rise in the serps by tanking competitors.
Build networks purposely built, for tanking.
As i said I am paranoid right now.
Fuck this is hurting.

Fishingman, I don't really know how long it will take to recover. I never had a site get hit before. You could just keep building links and hope it will come back. It could be a 6 month penalty. I am thinking about taking down all of my content and let it get purged from G, then start a new site. All my pages are still indexed, but I am sitting @ -100. I'm not even going to ask G to reconsider since they did not send me a message indicating any penalty. I think the best thing to do in the future is build your own private network and web2.0 properties. Good luck with your site. Let me know if you hear anything back from G.

[Initial Effort]

Usually it has been for entire site, but in some examples it has just been the keyword that was on the network.