[abby013]

Nanny Rose, on 29 February 2012 - 04:37, said:

I think we all agree that hosting is 1 issue/footprint, but it certainly is one of many!

when google crawls a page, what info does it get?
content? yes...
outbound links? yes...
ip? of course yes...
title? yes...
description? yes...
what else does it get?? hmmm...

google have the best database programmers... of course right?
its easy to deindex this hpbls.. just a simple tweak with money sites that have a backlinks with page ranks with same range of class C IPS....
even if you hide your backlinks with several blog comments, google can still identify this..

lets say you have a competitive niche... you used hpbls to rank 3 on google...
do you know that there is this G review team that check websites ranking on page 1 google??
of course they will check those backlinks and see those ips and if they see backlinks with page ranks on a same class..
boom.. hpbls network is exposed... so easy....

For  those hpbls, i recommend you used class A and B ips and see what happens...

[Nanny Rose]

I don't know what to say really, except for a big LOL!

I've tried to post some quality info on this thread so this post is lacking, but seriously dude......

OK, I'll run along and host on A and B classes and see what happens....... Oh yeah i forgot, we already do that and have done since last year!

[abby013]

Nanny Rose, on 29 February 2012 - 05:11, said:

I don't know what to say really, except for a big LOL!

I've tried to post some quality info on this thread so this post is lacking, but seriously dude......

OK, I'll run along and host on A and B classes and see what happens....... Oh yeah i forgot, we already do that and have done since last year!

thats good if you are hosting it on different classes...
what have you observed?
do you have high deindex rate when you hosted them on different class??

[Nanny Rose]

All of our site are and have been on different hosting classes with completely different hosts.

Yes we have had ZERO domains deindexed, so i do take your point.

I still don't think this is the only footprint though. We take MANY steps to reduce it and we're taking things even further.  

[abby013]

Nanny Rose, on 29 February 2012 - 05:19, said:

All of our site are and have been on different hosting classes with completely different hosts.

Yes we have had ZERO domains deindexed, so i do take your point.

I still don't think this is the only footprint though. We take MANY steps to reduce it and we're taking things even further.  

For google to notice hpbls, it requires at least 3 data.. outbound links, ips, websites ranking on competitive niche...

congrats for having 0 domains deindex...

[Nanny Rose]

I'm really sorry to be difficult, but how on earth do you know that?

On what solid information is this based?

Frankly (and respectfully) I don't believe a word of it!

[ARVolund]

abby013, on 29 February 2012 - 04:28, said:

What do you mean on much different statement from my first post??

My statement is that it is easy for an algo to detect sites hosted on class C ips that are pointing on the same money sites...

On aln case, it would be difficult to track those blogs. Even some are hosted on class C ips, those blogs are not linking on the same money sites...

About the bmr deindexation, their domains are hosted on class C ips.. So there is a possibility that same money sites will be posted on a same class... This happens when a guy publish several post on bmr...

Cheers!!

You posted

"HPBL are killed because of using class C ips.... "

You do not give any other info in that post. Just that C class IPs kill HPBLs.  Since every site on the internet has a C class IP address your statement made no sense at all. I was not the only one going WTF so it was not just me that did not understand.

Now if you had bothered to add another sentence or even a few more words clairifying what you were trying to say then your initial statement probably would have made sense.

[ARVolund]

abby013, on 29 February 2012 - 05:26, said:

For google to notice hpbls, it requires at least 3 data.. outbound links, ips, websites ranking on competitive niche...

congrats for having 0 domains deindex...

Nanny Rose, on 29 February 2012 - 05:29, said:

I'm really sorry to be difficult, but how on earth do you know that?

On what solid information is this based?

Frankly (and respectfully) I don't believe a word of it!

I admint I am a bit curious about your statement as well. Do you have a source? Testing of some sort?

[abby013]

Nanny Rose, on 29 February 2012 - 05:29, said:

I'm really sorry to be difficult, but how on earth do you know that?

On what solid information is this based?

Frankly (and respectfully) I don't believe a word of it!

of course you would never believe it coz your running a hpbl service...

ARVolund, on 29 February 2012 - 05:39, said:

I admint I am a bit curious about your statement as well. Do you have a source? Testing of some sort?

yeah of course...
also ask those networks owners that got deindex... ask what type of class ip did they use...
also ask those who have drop their ranks.. of course they are from a competitive niche...

i have shared my thoughts about this hpbls..
if your a programmer, im sure you understand this....
because this topic is how to identify hpbls using at least 3 data....

[Nanny Rose]

abby013, on 29 February 2012 - 06:06, said:

of course you would never believe it coz your running a hpbl service...

Dude, we're all here to learn. I do have something to say on the subject as I run a (not-typical) service.

I'm saying i don't believe it becuase you have made a bold statement and backed it up with absolutely nothing. I'm not even saying you are wrong (or right).

I'm all ears as is the rest of TP......

[ARVolund]

abby013, on 29 February 2012 - 06:06, said:

of course you would never believe it coz your running a hpbl service...




yeah of course...
also ask those networks owners that got deindex... ask what type of class ip did they use...
also ask those who have drop their ranks.. of course they are from a competitive niche...

i have shared my thoughts about this hpbls..
if your a programmer, im sure you understand this....
because this topic is how to identify hpbls using at least 3 data....

The problem was not the three data points you listed. The problem is you stated it as fact when it really is your opinion. When making posts you should really make distinctions between what you think (your opinion) and what is a fact. When you state something as fact people are going to want to know your source or what testing you did to back up your statement.

Neither I nor Nanny Rose was disagreeing with you we just wanted to know where you got your "facts" A better way to go is  I think "this is true"  for "this reason".


Is your info possible? Yes it is. Are those things taken in to consideration? Probably so, I do not believe it is anything that simple though. I would bet a fairly large amount of money that Google is looking at more than three factors. If there were only those three it would be pretty easy to keep from getting hit by Google.

[Scipio]

Some thoughts.

Potential reasons for deindexing:

• OBL count
  
• OBLs/articles count
  
• dublicate content (in my eyes nr. 1 reason)
  
• changing websitecontent after buying an expired domain
  
• link footprints
  
• manual reviews from client sites
  
• hosting issues (dublicate nameservers, too many linking sites on the same a/b-class Ip

No i have various models in my mind to counter these factors:

1.) OBL count
Of course we can lower the OBLs on the mainsite. Also we could just preview articles, so they aren´t homepagebacklinks anymore.

2.) OBLs/articles count
1 Link each article, submitting articles without links

3.) dublicate content
This one is tough. If we write unique content our costs double and it´s way more administrating work. Actually this is only an option for me for permanent blogposts.
Another thing: We can use hyperspun articles with mixed paragraphs. That would lower our costs, make perhaps even a better grammar, but we are damned if we get manual reviews. If we get penalties anyways for manual reviews we don´t have to care. If we are using the links as tier2 links, we don´t have to care neither. Please give me your opinion about that!

4.) changing website content:
The only practical method could be to buy expired domains, rebuild the content through archive.org and just add your links. If You get suied, we won´t cry...not an option for people living in the wrong countries (thoughts on that please)

5.) link footprints:
The only way is to create bigger networks and work more together. So we need better teamwork.

6.) manual reviews for clients
The only thing is building buffersites with good unique content. Of course we won´t building link pyramides if domains become deindexed, so web2.0 plattforms

7.) hosting issues
Paying more, split through more seo hosts, use small hosting packages. There are lots of offers for 4$/month/IP from regular hosting companys.
We need to interact more and share our hosting accounts. The problem is if there are more sites on the same IP, that could also higher the risks that all from the same IP become deindexed.

[trakker]

Most HPBL network WERE using single anchor text linking.  Seems to be changing now.

Those that were de-indexed that I know about were all single anchor text.

Not saying that is THE footprint - obviously a lot of things they used, but just wondering:

How many networks got de-indexed that used variety of anchor text in their OBLs???

[John Moore]

Yes I agree with what a few others have said, HPBLs will still work, they just can't be so blatantly obvious, the cost of running them will rise and thus joining them too and the risk of being taken down is a lot higher, but with careful attention and conservative measures they'll still work for some time....

[trakker]

Hmnn.  no response so I'll try again....

How many HPBL networks got de-indexed that used variety of anchor text in their OBLs???