[^RankMe]

I'll start out by saying that I directly pay Terry Kyle several hundred dollars a month through various services and am a fan of his services.

I am very happy to see that this forum is really taking off and being successful.  The traffic seems to be way up since BLF finally went down. I'm a little concerned about the recent bans that have been handed out (I was threatened with a ban myself).  I would prefer to see this forum as a bit more of an open place where people can say what they think rather than say what's best for the forum and its money generation techniques themselves.  Censorship can quickly drive a good forum in the direction of WF.  So, what do you think about the direction that this forum is headed in?

Edited by ^RankMe, 09 February 2012 - 10:07.

[akula]

I dont know about the ban hammer flying. I was a long time member of BLF and after it went down and I took two months off, I have been kind of just feeling TP out before I started "joining back into the community" so to speak. I agree with you that swinging a ban hammer is bad for business. Personally one of the worst things to do is try and shut up your distractors/critics because people notice this shit. Engage them publicly instead of hoping you can make it go away. And if you think they may hurt your business, then maybe your business needs to be re-evaluated.

Now I see GOY got banned and as I say I am not in the know of other bans or what they are about. I have had plenty of very heated run ins with GOY on BLF. We are both hot heads and speak our minds openly. That can rub others the wrong way. If the ban is because he has been critical of other members/mods/owners products/services then that is definitely a bad sign for the future here, I do know that GOY has been fairly critical of products/services associated with these two forums so.... But like I said, I really have no idea. Hopefully it is something else. And hopefully it is not a emerging trend because I refuse to visit War forum daily.

Edited by akula, 09 February 2012 - 12:04.

[adam]

Yep, this forum has a much different feel to BLF. Thats why I dont post here as much as I did on BLF.

Saw that GOY got banned, thats a shame.

Terry has built a reputation and knows his stuff, but I hardly see any of his posts, to a stranger, this forum may seem like it belongs to AVR.

This forum doesnt have the same 'feel' as BLF to me....But I'll admit I do read it daily.

WF is either too newb filled or the few that do know a 'little' and I mean a 'little' I could name names but I wont, think that they are god gifts... I note these people in particular dont post on forums like these cos people like us would shoot em down.

AVR, I personally think you should share on the recent ban activity and reasons why..... There's nothing worse than a cover up, or what it appears to be a cover up and unless things are explained, that will prob be the perception of many.

There's definitely a market for another backlinks type forum if someone reputable got one started.

Edited by adam, 09 February 2012 - 12:05.

[ARVolund]

No one has been banned for posting their opinion about the forum. Other than spammers the only bans have been given because of personal attacks by one member towards another.

@Rankme- I called you out very much in the open  nothing was hidden about the warning I gave you.

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Lets keep the personal name calling out of the posts. It tends to escalate and my patience for the back and forth pissing contests has left the building. We have already had some temporary and permanent vacations because of it. Saying he left you high and dry is fine but anything else should be in a PM.

As you can see I was very clear about what the problem was.

There have been three other  seven day  bans and they were all for the same type of thing. I Know with at least two of them I called them out in the thread as well before I closed it. I do not remember if I called out the third one publicly or not, I believe I did but will not swear to it and honestly I am too lazy to dig through all my posts to find out.

So at least two out of three seven day bans called out publicly and one warning again given publicly does not make for much of a cover up.


The only one left is GOY who as much as I liked went out of his way to get banned. Terry is the one that banned him and while it might have happened anyway there was a series of PMs to Terry that were more than a little out of line. GOY cc'd  a few people when he sent them so I am not the only one that got to read them. Anyone who has read any of GOYs posts can imagine the PMs he sent to Terry when I say they were much worse than any of his posts out in the open forum and there was not just one there was a whole series of them.


You guys can complain about the forum if you want

You can disagree with each other if you want

The only thing we really do not need out in the open forum is you being nasty and resorting to personal attacks. All that happens is we end up with closed threads because they get completely off the track with a bunch of people in a pissing contest.

If somehow that rule is a problem and somehow in your opinion lowers the level or worth of the forum than sorry you feel that way but going forward that is what the rule is going to be.

And just to make sure I am covering all ban bases there have been a couple of bans of service providers that went down the tubes and when asked about failed to respond.  They were not banned for the service problems themselves but for failing to respond when contacted about them..

So no hidden conspiracy or cover up.

[Jammy]

ARVolund, on 09 February 2012 - 13:44, said:

The only one left is GOY who as much as I liked went out of his way to get banned. Terry is the one that banned him and while it might have happened anyway there was a series of PMs to Terry that were more than a little out of line. GOY cc'd  a few people when he sent them so I am not the only one that got to read them. Anyone who has read any of GOYs posts can imagine the PMs he sent to Terry when I say they were much worse than any of his posts out in the open forum and there was not just one there was a whole series of them.

I would consider GOY to be a very good online friend of mine, someone I like very much and I don't know Terry at all so in all honesty I probably would have been more GOY bias had there just been a simple argument.

I was privey to these PMs and I would have banned GOY long before Terry did, he was massively out of line, not just once either and not in one 'sitting', it was over and over spanning several days.  I'm truly gutted that GOY has gone but trust me guys, he really did ask for it.  

[adam]

ARVolund, on 09 February 2012 - 13:44, said:

No one has been banned for posting their opinion about the forum. Other than spammers the only bans have been given because of personal attacks by one member towards another.

@Rankme- I called you out very much in the open  nothing was hidden about the warning I gave you.



As you can see I was very clear about what the problem was.

There have been three other  seven day  bans and they were all for the same type of thing. I Know with at least two of them I called them out in the thread as well before I closed it. I do not remember if I called out the third one publicly or not, I believe I did but will not swear to it and honestly I am too lazy to dig through all my posts to find out.

So at least two out of three seven day bans called out publicly and one warning again given publicly does not make for much of a cover up.


The only one left is GOY who as much as I liked went out of his way to get banned. Terry is the one that banned him and while it might have happened anyway there was a series of PMs to Terry that were more than a little out of line. GOY cc'd  a few people when he sent them so I am not the only one that got to read them. Anyone who has read any of GOYs posts can imagine the PMs he sent to Terry when I say they were much worse than any of his posts out in the open forum and there was not just one there was a whole series of them.


You guys can complain about the forum if you want

You can disagree with each other if you want

The only thing we really do not need out in the open forum is you being nasty and resorting to personal attacks. All that happens is we end up with closed threads because they get completely off the track with a bunch of people in a pissing contest.

If somehow that rule is a problem and somehow in your opinion lowers the level or worth of the forum than sorry you feel that way but going forward that is what the rule is going to be.

And just to make sure I am covering all ban bases there have been a couple of bans of service providers that went down the tubes and when asked about failed to respond.  They were not banned for the service problems themselves but for failing to respond when contacted about them..

So no hidden conspiracy or cover up.

Jammy, on 09 February 2012 - 14:19, said:

I would consider GOY to be a very good online friend of mine, someone I like very much and I don't know Terry at all so in all honesty I probably would have been more GOY bias had there just been a simple argument.

I was privey to these PMs and I would have banned GOY long before Terry did, he was massively out of line, not just once either and not in one 'sitting', it was over and over spanning several days.  I'm truly gutted that GOY has gone but trust me guys, he really did ask for it.  

Thanks for filling me in.

[Fishingman1]

In agreement that rudeness and bad behavior should not be tolerated.
Dodgy service providers, should be banned.
Personally happy with the forum.
Valid point about Terry , not a real lot of activity on the forums.
No idea about pm's GOY sent, so no comment.
Can not say GOY ban pleases me,however what do I know
As far as SEO authority is concerned they do not come much better than GOY.

[Fixer]

I agree that this forum is not up to the same standard as BLF was, there were some great threads and conversations on there with some really experienced people.  One this to consider is it was running for a good while and the member count was higher than here so this in itself a consideration and would hope that over time it will get slowly more experience and more good strategy arguments.

Shame that GOY was banned and I know a lot of this seemed to start when there was a difference of opinion with Terry's domain buying black belt (although may have been further back than this). IMO GOY started some of the most interesting threads on BLF and really got you thinking, so sad that he is not in here.

Sure there will still be a lot of good debate on here though, especially when it grows over the next 6-12 months. I know Arvolund does a good job on here and seems to get into every thread (just look at the post count already ).

[Blah Blah Blah]

First off this forum is not BLF so don't expect it to be. And Terry has very right to run it how he see's fit, it's his. GOY thought he could run over the board and got shut down instead. I'm sure he'll pop up again here or somewhere else.

[Parto]

Fishingman1, on 09 February 2012 - 14:31, said:

In agreement that rudeness and bad behavior should not be tolerated.
Dodgy service providers, should be banned.
Personally happy with the forum.
Valid point about Terry , not a real lot of activity on the forums.
No idea about pm's GOY sent, so no comment.
Can not say GOY ban pleases me,however what do I know
As far as SEO authority is concerned they do not come much better than GOY.

I agree that Terry could give his opinion on some of the unclear more "advanced" threads. Doesn't have to be super active, but seeing his face a bit more wouldn't hurt the forums.

Also about dodgy service providers and classified ads, I see it as our mission to actually criticize them. The good ones will be popular.

[kurtyordy]

GOY is active on other forums and has shared some of those in the past.  Like the elusive unicorn, if you look long and hard enough, you will find him.

[felku]

It's a shame that GOY was banned, he was very active and he shared a lot of information. I know that he has a strange personality but thats him and everybody in the forum knows that.

[googlealchemist]

only comment that i have, that stood out for me from the whole thread, and it was in the opening post.

paying any sort of money doesnt elicit any sort of right to act like a retard. and im not saying the op was whatsoever....im addressing the generaly point,which i find irrelevant

fees for services are fees for services, and dont have anything to do with ban criteria...they shouldnt at least

[^RankMe]

googlealchemist, on 09 February 2012 - 20:45, said:

only comment that i have, that stood out for me from the whole thread, and it was in the opening post.

paying any sort of money doesnt elicit any sort of right to act like a retard. and im not saying the op was whatsoever....im addressing the generaly point,which i find irrelevant

fees for services are fees for services, and dont have anything to do with ban criteria...they shouldnt at least

I made that statement to establish my relationship and respect with/for the owner of the forum; not to establish "ban criteria" as I didn't want this to turn into a TP bashing type post.

[chaoslinks]

I hope too that there were lessen banning here and deleting of threads. Thus, we should put more interesting stuff so there will be double the traffic outcome.

[Blah Blah Blah]

chaoslinks, on 10 February 2012 - 08:07, said:

I hope too that there were lessen banning here and deleting of threads. Thus, we should put more interesting stuff so there will be double the traffic outcome.

Do you want to see more traffic over quality post? I'd rather stay away from pissing contest, they provide no value at all.

[mofoe]

I personally found GOY a condesending know it all. He had some good BH stuff but scoffed at anyone who did not think like him and belittled them. That is just how he is and I am big enough and nasty enough to handle myself but his attitude could alienate a lot of people. Complicated characters are interesting and a PITA at the same time, I would put him on that shelf.

[MattW]

GOY has made some of the biggest contributions to public forums time and time again.  I found his direct and aggressive tone to be refreshing and not only that but he could put his money where his mouth is which most keyboard warriors can't.  Certainly prefer to read posts from GOY than from some 'Guru' that is milking you for all you got.

Personally I would prefer a much more open forum, sure people are going to get heated in discussion but that happens whether your on a public forum or in the pub!  I think the members here are more than capable of dealing with been called a few names here and there.

[MattW]

Ahhh just had my first warning =D Perhaps I'll pay for a sales thread so the rules dont apply.

[Parto]

MattW, on 11 February 2012 - 04:09, said:

Ahhh just had my first warning =D Perhaps I'll pay for a sales thread so the rules dont apply.

Got my first warning as well criticizing a sales deal which was totally worthless and overpriced. Tried to save some poor guys some money. Gosh, review the damn ads before you post them all over. I know that many SEO services are hard to evaluate but some are just ridiculous and since we got so many beginners here its a bit sad.