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    #1 TerryKyle

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 13:56

    OK, let's get down to what should be at the heart of this forum: live testing with a high level of detailed documentation (hopefully an evolution of the good old days with my 60-day experiment on Warrior Forum).

    Ideally, within a month of launching, I would like us to have 5 SEO and 5 Conversion/Monetization experiments continuously running.

    In the first test below, I am going to give as much detail as possible, with screen grab pics and links while still (hopefully) preserving testing integrity as much as possible (though tests such as this are not 100% scientific, as will be discussed below).

    I firmly believe that when it comes to Internet Marketers and SEOers, most us of us fail to do any testing. Shocking. In fact, some of the more senior people in this business that I had assumed woould be testing addicts do ZERO testing.

    Why not?

    "I'm too busy" is the usual reply.

    So hopefully our experiments here (not all by me) will address that lack of testing.

    Judging by the poll in this Traffic Planet survey:

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    one of the early contenders is for an assessment of the current effectiveness of our (formerly) beloved Forum Profile backlinks - one avenue of backlinking that has been spammed beyond death in the past few years. Can't really blame Google for slapping that one.

    Or have they?

    That's what we are here to (attempt to) find out!

    So in my own testing, I don't use a single site but instead set up 4 sites to see what happens. I personally think that there is enough inconsistency with rankings results that one site isn't enough.

    That's exactly what I will also do here.

    Now in order to engage your interest but not influence the test (by additional backlinks from non-forum profiles), the keyword that I am going after is this one:

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    'over the range microwave'

    This Exact Match term supposedly gets 4400 searches a month in the US and I could conceivably promote these products on our test sites as Amazon Associates (products range from $150 to $200ish with 6% commissions around $12 each, not earth-shattering but fine for testing purposes and could be a profitable siteflip with some income and/or rankings):

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    In terms of SEO Competition (the most crucial aspect of keyword research IMO), Market Samurai returns this snapshot of competition for this term:

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    In fact, not one Internet Marketer has targeted this term (probably the low commissions understandably turned them off) - they are ALL shopping site inner pages with very few backlinks. For me, shopping site inner pages clustered at the top of Page 1 is a huge green light; these pages are usually extremely easy to beat - unlike seeing a Wikipedia page at #1.

    I did also check the Anchor Text in the backlinks to the #1 site/page here (according to Google Global plugin searching from the UK):

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Microwaves/Over-the-Range-Microwaves/abcat0903001.c?id=abcat0903001

    and a fast, free and useful tool like ahrefs.com revealed this result on the Anchor Text of its reported backlinks:

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    So, what exactly is the testing methodology that I will use? And let me address any issues or concerns as we go:

    1. Tonight I have bought 4 dot com domains for the purpose of this test.

    2. None of the domains is even close to an EMD i.e. absolutely nothing relevant in the domain name as you will see when I eventually reveal the domain names.

    3. Each will be hosted on the same new Hostgator (USA) reseller account that I have set up solely for the purpose of Traffic Planet experiments (this is the main potential flaw in the experiment that I see but let's run with it this time).

    4. Each site will be created with a single post (homepage) of about 1000ish words through 4 versions of the same spun article using The Best Spinner (synonyms on every second word or phrase, original text removed) e.g.

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    Before the concerns about using spun content emerge: I do get sites to rank high on Page 1 all the time with spun content (my 'make money online' UK site, http://makemoneyonline.gb.net/, for example, got to about #5 on Page 1 in 4 weeks with spun, barely readable text though now it has some proper-ish articles as it is driving traffic to this forum).

    5. Each site will have 5 images and 2 YouTube videos embedded into the spun content PLUS one outbound authority link to a deep inner page on a trusted university site in the bottom sentence. The exact Anchor Text for that outbound dofollow authority link on each of the 4 blogs will be 'over the range microwave' (this does seem to work for me).

    6. Each blog setup will use the default 2011 theme, have a Category of 'over the range microwave' for the only post but not tags.

    7. Forum profile backlinks will be built to these domains at the rate of about 100 per week over the next 8 weeks. I will use the same Fiverr vendor for each week's forum profile backlinks to the 4 test sites but change Fiverr vendors each week (I may also try http://zeerk.com/ later).

    8. All forum profile backlinks created will be run through my Nuclear Link Indexer account for additional boosting.

    9. In terms of Anchor Text variation, I am only going to use 'over the range microwave' but for my own sites I do mix that up these days with URL anchor texts at a rate of about 80% Keyword 20% URL

    10. Even though SEO competition is very weak for , I don't necessarily expect any of these sites to penetrate the top 50 results quickly. If one or more of these sites can get in the sub-#50 range with just forum profile backlinks within 4-6 weeks, that would suggest that this type of backlinks still have some value in a diverse, overall backlink profile.

    In this test, I am locking away all my SEO nuclear weapons and it is just going to be good old-fashioned (too old-fashioned?) forum profile backlinks to new, non-EMD domains over the next 8 weeks.

    Late in the test, I will report the actual domain names but of course I will document progress, methods and Fiverr vendors here as we go.

    Let the good times roll!

    Oh, 2 more things:

    The reason I said that this kind of test is not necessarily scientific is that Google tweaks the algorithm (large and small adjustments) almost every day of the year so ANY experiment is being conducted on a moving target.

    Secondly, science was far from my best subject in high school...

    Questions, thoughts, issues and contributions highly welcome below.

    #2 HelpEllen.com

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:29

    Way cool, Terry!

    I'm excited to see these results; there's so many rumors about SEO that it's hard to know what's true.

    BTW- I got to #1 in Google recently for two keywords with 4K exact local match EXCLUSIVELY using BuildMyRank as backlinks. That told me something:) (new pages on my PR5 site I started in 2005)
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    #3 Quail

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:29

    Really excited about seeing these results.

    Also glad to see you rate outbound links for on page SEO, as I've found this is something that's worked for me also, but many people refuse to believe it.

    Edited by Quail, 04 October 2011 - 14:30.


    #4 Lee Price

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:32

    Hi Terry,

    Great idea, I really got into the backlinks experiment you did a while back. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of this.

    Thanks
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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:34

    This should be interesting.
    Back in March I did kinda the same thing you`re about to do. Built only forum profiles to a brand new domain...got to page 2 in about 2 weeks and after that its been downhill. Got sandboxed for 3 months...after which it came back stronger :) ... Someone once said "F*ck Google until it loves you" ... waiting to see your results.

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:38

    Looking forward to seeing how this pans out Terry...let's rock!

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:41

    Terry

    Are the links going to be bare, buried in some profile text or are you going to leave that up to the fiver vendors? I have noticed a fairly substantial difference in my (admittedly small scale) testing in how many get indexed when inserting the links in the content of a full profile.

    over the range microwave

    vs

    blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah over the range microwave blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:42

    This should be great Terry. I've also really wanted to know the results. I've been doing a lot of forum profile backlinks in the past and I stop because they say "it's Dead". Awesome experiment. Can't wait to see the results.

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:46

    I remember those warrior forum days.

    Can't wait for this one!

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 14:53

    Terry at his best. :) Looking forward to tonnes of priceless information.

    #11 TerryKyle

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 15:06

    View PostARVolund, on 04 October 2011 - 14:41, said:

    Terry

    Are the links going to be bare, buried in some profile text or are you going to leave that up to the fiver vendors? I have noticed a fairly substantial difference in my (admittedly small scale) testing in how many get indexed when inserting the links in the content of a full profile.

    over the range microwave

    vs

    blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah over the range microwave blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

    Thanks for the support above.

    Good point ARV (thanks for the watchful reporting too - sorted now).

    I am going to keep the links as typical as possible i.e. how the majority of linkbuilders usually build/built them e.g. (from a very old outsourced linkbuilding job in the past):

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    as just the links but it's exactly fine details like this that make these sorts of experiments valuable.

    Keep up the good work!

    Also, with the domain names, I used a random name generator to cough up a bunch of fictional names for me for these dotcom babies.

    BTW, personally I use .cc and .co a lot and have no problem ranking them in the USA and UK when I want an EMD for siteflipping purposes. However, in this case, I didn't want to introduce that element as that's something to tackle on another experiment.

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 15:09

    I followed the test on the Warrior Forum and although it was supposed to be a 60 day test it went on a lot longer. I think it helped a lot of people learn some things and I look forward to watching the progress of this test.

    This forum is great so far and I think it is going to be the very best seo / link building / monitization etc. forum on the internet very soon.
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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 15:11

    Nice experiment, will follow this one closely. Testing is really much overlooked. Glad you take up the challenge.

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 15:25

    Forum profile backlinks are dead???

    I have not seen any evidence of that, I'm wondering what evidence anyone has to show that Google is discounting those.

    I might agree if they are the standard junk xrumer profiles, however I use some really good hand built services that work well and almost always get indexed with boosting.

    Please chime in and let me know why you would say forum profile links are dead; what am I missing here.

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 15:44

    Update: All of my non-EMD .com domains have been bought (through Namecheap), hosting has been set up on a fresh Hostgator Reseller account (the $24.95 a month one).

    Tomorrow (October 5 2011), I will set up the WP blogs with autospun on-topic content (1000 words minimum each blog) using The Best Spinner, images, H1 heading for 'over the range microwave', embedded videos, outbound authority link and a WP category: 'over the range microwave' (but no tags).

    Once set up, I will then run those new blogs through Profit Instruments' fast indexer tool here (submits to a bunch of website appraisal services):

    http://profitinstruments.com/quickindex/index.php

    then enter each site's details into Rank Tracker ($99 a year version, Pro I think) and Rank Checker (for cross checking as I am in the UK and want US results) and setup the Fiverr jobs.

    2terry: SEO circles have been abuzz for a while with the 'forum profiles are dead' rumour/fact. Can you name the hand-built service that you are getting good results with?

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 15:52

    View Postfollowterry, on 04 October 2011 - 15:25, said:

    Forum profile backlinks are dead???

    I have not seen any evidence of that, I'm wondering what evidence anyone has to show that Google is discounting those.

    I might agree if they are the standard junk xrumer profiles, however I use some really good hand built services that work well and almost always get indexed with boosting.

    Please chime in and let me know why you would say forum profile links are dead; what am I missing here.

    Terry


    I think dead is too strong, I do believe from what I have seen that they do carry less weight than they did a year ago.

    Your point about quality is a good one and I am very interested in how Terry's does as from what I have seen the bare links are a lot less effective than before but if you bury the links in content they seem to do much better. This does make some sense as Google has been pushing the content thing pretty hard and it seems to have affected blog roll links and any other link that does not have any surrounding content. Though interesting enough blog comments still seem to be pretty effective and most of them are somewhat separated from the content.

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 15:56

    Hey Terry

    This is exactly the type of testing I like to see and why I like this new forum.

    I have done numerous testing as well, but not what types of back links work. Instead, I focus on how far I can get with optimizing my content first. I am for a keyword density of 2 to 3%. Then, I find I need far less back links. My results have been very good so far. I also mix up my sites, with non optimized content as well, just to throw in some natural and non seo articles.

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 16:15

    View PostARVolund, on 04 October 2011 - 15:52, said:

    I think dead is too strong, I do believe from what I have seen that they do carry less weight than they did a year ago.

    Your point about quality is a good one and I am very interested in how Terry's does as from what I have seen the bare links are a lot less effective than before but if you bury the links in content they seem to do much better. This does make some sense as Google has been pushing the content thing pretty hard and it seems to have affected blog roll links and any other link that does not have any surrounding content. Though interesting enough blog comments still seem to be pretty effective and most of them are somewhat separated from the content.

    Yes; what I do is wrap the anchor text between the content in the profile (i.e. middle of sentence, not at beginning or end) and I only vary anchor text between keyword and URL, I then use Nuclear Link Indexer and I get great rankings from doing just that. Most of the Xrumer services build the junk links but there are a few I use that don't use Xrumer and the profile links are helping me rank very well - I also typically diversify my links after I get ranked with forum profiles, such as some social bookmarks, blog comments and "in context" links from services where I can blog post to a network.
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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 16:41

    I think this is a great test to run, but yeah would also like to see some other options. I know it's impossible to do test everything though.

    I think knowing what type of profile links are being built is important, I have long thought the mass spammed xrumer type links are useless, (perhaps even damaging) but hand built profile pages on high PR domains (especially if you write a real bio, add image etc) still offer some benefit.

    It would also be good to come up with a test that tells us if profile links are any good for building links as a second tier to blog posts or articles, rather than the profile linking directly to the money page.

    Anyway, will be following this experiment closely, would love to do my own tests, but I always get bored half way through them and abandon them. :)

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    Posted 04 October 2011 - 16:43

    Awesome experiment, I don't do any forum backlinks anymore since I saw very mixed results.




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