[kschmandt]

I have a pretty good SEO strategy going (at least its working for me) but I feel like I am missing one important part. Heres what Ive got.

Senuke for low end diversity and velocity, I get web 2.0, articles, forum profiles, bookmarks, etc this way all
BMR for some contextual PR links
Fiver for a lot of stuff, edu links, blog comments, AMR type article blasts, social media, etc.
PR networks for quality high pr contextual links

Here's what I feel I'm missing...Good quality content, as in real well written articles for ezine and the others, + hubpages, squidoo etc.

I have been struggling with resourse allocation I guess. I could pay someone probably $5 for a decent article and then pay someone $5 to manually spin it well (may want some un spun one off articles too) then pay someone more to post it at various places.

It just seems to me that this will get pretty costly pretty quickly. If I pay someone for a one off article posted that would probably be $10 for one link with 0 pr. Link networks are cheaper and carry much more weight per link. So am I just kidding myself and I dont really need this aspect, or is AMR and the Senuke stuff good enough?

Perhaps having a good article written then spun really well then unique versions submitted to various places is a good middle of the road option? Are there any services offering something like this?

Any thoughts on this whole rant and has anyone found a good solution to this?

Thanks ahead of time!

[ARVolund]

For me there are three levels of content.

money site- highest quality pay a bit more for it.

Tier one sites- Decent quality not spun or lightly spun

Tier two plus- Use the articles from the tier one sites highly spun

What I do for a normal run is get three 500 word 5 paragraph articles written on the same topic. I turn them into one article spinning them on the paragraph level and work through sentence, word and character spinning. You can then use them for a whole pyramid without any duplicate content problems. So for the cost of three articles and doing the spinning I get a few hundred useful articles.

[sylvesta]

If you want original content of high quality think about what takes the most time. It's got to be the research if you don't know a great deal about the subject matter.

So what's the answer?

The answer is to use plr content to re-write from. You can get hundreds of thousands of plr articles for free which are well researched. You just need to know where to look.. That's $5 of the 10 you would spend taken care of. Then you either re-write them yourself so the whole thing is free or outsource it for a low price.

I personally re-write the content myself but then again I am a freelance contractor working for clients who have offline businesses.
From what I've seen, google gives more value to contextual links within pages and gives even more value when the links are on unique content.

Stands to reason as google wants one thing and one thing only and that is fresh unique content to satisfy their searchers so you are on the right track in thinking that adding fresh content to your seo is a good idea. If you visit and search some of the blackhat forums you'll find some of the guy saying the same thing in regards to getting better results from 10 unique pages of contextual backlinks verses 100 or a 1000 spun articles...

I personally believe that google is starting to devalue links coming from article directories because of the duplication issues but that's not to say they don't work still..

As for strategy - a mixture of everything in a nutshell is the key including unique content and some spun content so white hat | grey hat | then blackhat... going from the money site to tier2..

to avoid slaps only use unique content linking to the money site - it's the most effective way I have found.

[kschmandt]

Thanks for the good tips so far....I follow both of you here but I am still missing one thing. From a business stadnpoint if I am doing the work I am wasting my time when their are people willing to do content gen + posting for much less than I am willing to work for. Has anyone found a good source for this kind of work other than weeding through and training people at Odesk?

Perhaps this would make a good TPSO (if thats what we're calling them) I would be willing to pay more for a service that would offer something like what ARV suggested for tier one content. Well written and well manually spun content posted at various high authority places.

I just don't have the time to do the writing or spinning myself let alone the posting. There has to be a good way to outsource this.

[adamv]

kschmandt, on 25 January 2012 - 19:48, said:

I have been struggling with resourse allocation I guess. I could pay someone probably $5 for a decent article and then pay someone $5 to manually spin it well (may want some un spun one off articles too) then pay someone more to post it at various places.

If you find anyone that will do a decent quality manual spin for $5 let me know. That would save me a tremendous amount of time and I can't bring myself to submit anything that has been auto spun. I've tried a few people that say they will do manual spins but the results were terrible.

[Dan]

kschmandt, on 26 January 2012 - 07:51, said:

Perhaps this would make a good TPSO (if thats what we're calling them) I would be willing to pay more for a service that would offer something like what ARV suggested for tier one content. Well written and well manually spun content posted at various high authority places.

its out there if you look (on other forums at least) the thing is it doesnt come cheap...

[kschmandt]

Matt Carter has some manual spinning software that looks like it would make things go much faster. The only problem for me is I dont want to do it...even with software helping my manual spin. But if you are already doing the spin yourself its probably worth looking into. I think its only $37 or $67, I can't remember. I think it mostly helps you by organizing your spins on the sentance level so insted of having to keep track of everything it finds each sentance and you fill in the form with a rewriten version of the sentance. No more keeping track of all that spintext.

[adamv]

kschmandt, on 26 January 2012 - 08:59, said:

Matt Carter has some manual spinning software that looks like it would make things go much faster. The only problem for me is I dont want to do it...even with software helping my manual spin. But if you are already doing the spin yourself its probably worth looking into. I think its only $37 or $67, I can't remember. I think it mostly helps you by organizing your spins on the sentance level so insted of having to keep track of everything it finds each sentance and you fill in the form with a rewriten version of the sentance. No more keeping track of all that spintext.

I have the best spinner (and a couple of other programs) to help with the spinning but I don't want to do it either. My problem is that evey time I have paid someone else to do a "manual spin" it has come back looking like crap. I don't expect the spun articles to be great but I'm getting back either auto spun or English as a second language stuff. I would love to find someone to do manual spins for me at a reasonable cost.

[kschmandt]

MC's software assists in the manual spinning so its still totally manually spun, just easier to do. I am totally with you though! I want someone who can manually spin an article to the point that each unique version is readable and makes sense with proper english. I don't need perfection, my own manual writing is far from it. With a little effort however it should be pretty easy to spin something well.

HERES THE CALL FOR A TPSO TO PRODUCE QUALITY MAUNALLY SPUN CONTENT! Maybe include posting as an add on to the service.

Any takers?

[Joshua Zamora]

I use iwriter for really cheap decent quality articles. You can find a few great writers and just hire them over and over

[RobertR]

This works for me:

Using Elance find a top quality US/Canada based writer and have her/him write you a set of quality 600 word 6 paragraph "master articles".
Make sure these articles are top notch great value for the reader and that each paragraph start and finish one idea.

Then for each master article hire a writer to write 4-5 "slave articles" outsourced from non-US country for dirt cheap.
Then simply spin them on the paragraph level and also synonym level (but don't overdo the synonyms).
What you get is millions of a really decent quality unique articles for less than $70 in total.

You can watch video on my website, it shows how I do paragraph spinning by "merging" 3 or more articles.

Edited by RobertR, 30 January 2012 - 11:37.

[bubbachess]

This is a GREAT thread. Creative suggestions on article spinning, and how to use articles to build quality backlinks.

I like the idea of merging articles to paragraph spin!

[patman]

I don't have much experience with article spinning but I've used TheContentAuthority.com in the past for various types of articles with different levels of quality and I've been very happy with the work they've done especially since they are very affordable.

[kschmandt]

RobertR, on 30 January 2012 - 11:34, said:

This works for me:

Using Elance find a top quality US/Canada based writer and have her/him write you a set of quality 600 word 6 paragraph "master articles".
Make sure these articles are top notch great value for the reader and that each paragraph start and finish one idea.

Then for each master article hire a writer to write 4-5 "slave articles" outsourced from non-US country for dirt cheap.
Then simply spin them on the paragraph level and also synonym level (but don't overdo the synonyms).
What you get is millions of a really decent quality unique articles for less than $70 in total.

I understand the quality articles paragraph spun together, are you using these as blog posts or for AD's or web 2.0's. Either way how are you implementing the slave articles, are those your tier 2 articles or are you working the good articles together with them?

I may just be reading to much into this and you are just explaining how to get good content as well as lower quality content. Just curious.

I just tried iwriter today, got a  pretty decent 1k word article for 7.50 it has some grammar errors (my wife will take care of that, lord knows I cant) but all in all I am pretty pleased. After touching it up I will be using it on my site, I am looking forward to trying them for some off site content next. Thanks for the tip.

[RobertR]

Hi there.
I think you should not accept an article with grammar errors.

You can mix the slave and master articles together, it really does not matter too much.

If you have a great master artile, the slave rewrites will be a decent quality too.
You can then mix paragraphs and do some LIGHT synonym spinning and you end up with some really decent articles for your second level sites.

Most people do spinning totally wrong and polute the internet with garbage and give bad name to article spinning.

If you spin it right you can have a quality articles that actually provide good info for readers and are easy to read too.

Good luck!

Rob

[Insurgo]

RobertR, on 02 February 2012 - 13:58, said:

Hi there.
I think you should not accept an article with grammar errors.

You can mix the slave and master articles together, it really does not matter too much.

If you have a great master artile, the slave rewrites will be a decent quality too.
You can then mix paragraphs and do some LIGHT synonym spinning and you end up with some really decent articles for your second level sites.

Most people do spinning totally wrong and polute the internet with garbage and give bad name to article spinning.

If you spin it right you can have a quality articles that actually provide good info for readers and are easy to read too.

Good luck!

Rob

Nice post!

I personally don't mind paying $5 for an article that I will use for web 2.0 purposes but at the end of the day its all down to your current income from IM. I know when I first started I wrote all of my own content which was a ball ache. I now pay $40 an article for my important sites!

I do provide a gig on Fiverr supplying super spun articles http://fiverr.com/insurgo/create-custom-super-spun-articles-on-your-niche .I have had really good experiences with them, I would say they pass copyscape 1/3 of the time and the rest of the time they get 1%-5% match on copyscape which isn't bad for scraped and spun content!

Edited by Insurgo, 03 February 2012 - 00:03.

[RobertR]

Insurgo,
remove the dot at the end of your url, I got a really interesting 404 from Fiverr!

I just placed an order to test your service.

Rob

[backlink lover]

insurgo:
your gig looks good and I will test it later. I need some good spun articles for my web 2.0 properties. Hope it will work out

[Insurgo]

Anybody that orders my gigs from TP let me know and I will be sure to give you a couple of bonuses!

[garygee]

Is it OK to use character spinning in titles and bio for articles, and titles and descriptions for bookmarks?