[googlealchemist]

ARVolund, on 24 January 2012 - 04:13, said:

You really need to look at what they have in common. If they both were killed at the same time you can bet it was for the same reason.

Where are they hosted?  I had a bunch go down once (15) and they were all hosted in the same place. I moved them that day and all of them came back but two.

Do they have the exact same links?  etc etc.   Find the common point and that is probably the issue.

Were those 15 deindexed and came back into the index or are you talking about drop in pr or...? If deindex did they come back naturally and if so how long? Or did u have to submit a request? If deindexed I wouldn't think they would find them again on their own by default is why i ask...

The points brought up by GOY are things I've been thinking about for a while now. Say I have 100 sites on various c class and want to send out a blog post to all 100 of them, with a link to the same money site in order to boost its rankings. If I continue to do this to leverage all 100 sites to contextually backlink all of my money sites, it seems this bigtable jazz will catch me sooner or later and just nuke the whole thing.

How to manage this practically as far as drip fed submissions and mixing in other links to dilute etc?

[ARVolund]

googlealchemist, on 04 February 2012 - 22:19, said:

Were those 15 deindexed and came back into the index or are you talking about drop in pr or...? If deindex did they come back naturally and if so how long? Or did u have to submit a request? If deindexed I wouldn't think they would find them again on their own by default is why i ask...

The points brought up by GOY are things I've been thinking about for a while now. Say I have 100 sites on various c class and want to send out a blog post to all 100 of them, with a link to the same money site in order to boost its rankings. If I continue to do this to leverage all 100 sites to contextually backlink all of my money sites, it seems this bigtable jazz will catch me sooner or later and just nuke the whole thing.

How to manage this practically as far as drip fed submissions and mixing in other links to dilute etc?

When I noticed them they were showing no indexed pages and no PR at all. When they came back they showed the original PR and I believe the original number of indexed pages (or at least something close). The ones that came back did so with a few days. I found them pretty quickly and had them moved within hours so the total time in the doghouse from beginning to being on the new server was about 18 hours or so.

I do not put the same links on all my network sites. No two sites have the exact same link profile as I try to mix it up a bit. I have about 100 sites and the most I have of any one link is around 50 or so.

[mofoe]

interesting, I was speaking about this with my brother last night. We have the same dilemma. A few of us have our own private networks and we are swapping money sites, I personally do not think it is a good idea to link out to all sites in all of the network, especially as these are on high pr domains and are expensive to maintain.

The thing is there are only 6 of us now with 500 domains, it would be a pretty large footprint if we all linked out to the same money sites.

[ARVolund]

mofoe, on 07 February 2012 - 00:39, said:

interesting, I was speaking about this with my brother last night. We have the same dilemma. A few of us have our own private networks and we are swapping money sites, I personally do not think it is a good idea to link out to all sites in all of the network, especially as these are on high pr domains and are expensive to maintain.

The thing is there are only 6 of us now with 500 domains, it would be a pretty large footprint if we all linked out to the same money sites.

If you have 500 network sites you really should have no problem adding links in such a way that you do not end up with a obvious footprint.

[mofoe]

ARVolund, on 07 February 2012 - 02:05, said:

If you have 500 network sites you really should have no problem adding links in such a way that you do not end up with a obvious footprint.

But it is owned by 6 people, so the temptation is to leverage all your sites agianst the others. Greed can get the better of you, like 70 of mine for 70 of yours.

[ARVolund]

Figured I might as well update this one as well.

The site is still going fairly strong. Numbers are down a bit this month.

looking like it will hit 52k googlebot hits this month

averaging 74 unique visits a day

The interesting thing is that looking back at the keywords that get hit each month there is an  almost a completely new set every month. Probably because the back links are being pushed to the new posts and those are the ones that are ranking.

[ryanjm]

Well I've got about a dozen sites in ALN, and 2-3 of those have been de-indexed over the course of the last 6 months. We set up each site similarly, so whether a site gets de-indexed or not seems to be fairly random luck of the draw. If one of your sites gets hammered with a ton of dupe content when the bots happen to check your site, maybe that causes the de-indexing. Another possibility is maybe you just happen to get a manual review because some random post is ranking well. There could be a ton of reasons, but the point is that in my view, it's totally random and just because your site has been fine for 3 months, doesn't mean it will be fine in 6 months.

Edited by ryanjm, 18 February 2012 - 13:36.

[ARVolund]

ryanjm, on 18 February 2012 - 13:35, said:

Well I've got about a dozen sites in ALN, and 2-3 of those have been de-indexed over the course of the last 6 months. We set up each site similarly, so whether a site gets de-indexed or not seems to be fairly random luck of the draw. If one of your sites gets hammered with a ton of dupe content when the bots happen to check your site, maybe that causes the de-indexing. Another possibility is maybe you just happen to get a manual review because some random post is ranking well. There could be a ton of reasons, but the point is that in my view, it's totally random and just because your site has been fine for 3 months, doesn't mean it will be fine in 6 months.

Well you are correct the site could get deindexed at some point in the future


Well it is not happening because the bots just happen to visit the site at the wrong time though, the google bots are all over the site to the tune of 50k+  hits a month.  I doubt dupe content is an issue though, everybody on the network is spinning the hell out of their content. These sites are mostly  being used for tier 3 and tier 4 sites so quality content is not something that we are really worrying about, unique yes, quality not so much.

I honestly doubt is is just random though or because of manual checks. Even if we can not see why it is happening there has to be something that Google is keying on. As far manual goes there could be someone live making the final decision after some algorithm makes a list but there is no way all those network sites are getting  shot down by somebody finding them manually.
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The point of the whole thread was not so much that the site has not been deindexed but that crappy low quality content getting hit with low quality backlinks is actually generating traffic from the search engines. That is what I did not expect. The fact that Google ranks any of the pages on this site well enough to bring in traffic is something I find pretty surprising.

[gregmac037]

gregmac037, on 24 January 2012 - 01:07, said:

50 out 69 were using default themes with sample page....
Probably it was just coincidence...

I want to add new info about the deindex issue..
There were 40+ blogs from 1 owner that was deindex in one update...

I asked him what d f just happen on his blogs.. He said that his blogs were deindexed after he move to a new host..

What do you think??

[ARVolund]

gregmac037, on 19 February 2012 - 07:37, said:

I want to add new info about the deindex issue..
There were 40+ blogs from 1 owner that was deindex in one update...

I asked him what d f just happen on his blogs.. He said that his blogs were deindexed after he move to a new host..

What do you think??

I had it happen once, all the sites came up N/A with 0 pages indexed. I moved them all to a new hosting company and they all came back except 2or 3 of them. (out of 15)

I had them moved quickly though, from the time they were deindexed to being on the new host was less than a day.

[gregmac037]

So its true then??

Could it be that there are some ips that google block???